Bryan and Ryan share a raw, unscripted update about the future of the podcast, why they are hitting pause for the summer, and the new direction for the show.

Welcome to a very different kind of episode. Today, we are laying all our cards on the table. When we started Out of the Desert, we had a plan to keep things more "clinical," but we’ve realized that isn't who we are. In this unscripted conversation, we discuss why we are choosing to stick to what we know best: Scripture, the Bible, and the heart of ministry.

We are officially hitting "pause" for the summer to reset and pray about our direction, with plans to return in August with a fresh, more authentic vision. We reflect on the 11 episodes we’ve completed so far, admit where we missed the mark on our initial vision, and explain why excellence requires us to step back and get it right.

We want to hear from YOU during this break! Tell us what resonated with you and what you’d like to hear more of when we return.